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Cloistered for days staring at correspondence charts and tomes of musty lore of late, looking for the arcane synchronicities and obscure interconnections, so here's correspondences for the Four Humours as comedians:
Sanguine - Jerry Seinfeld
Melancholic - Woody Allen
Choleric - Lenny Bruce
Phlegmatic - Groucho Marx
These were suggested by my partner - who apologises for the inclusion of Allen, alternate ideas being accepted.
We are looking for "fundamental" comedians, early and foundational figures; and I think maybe we were looking for stand-ups, there must have been a reason we didn't choose Keaton or Chaplin as melancholic.
Politics aside, I think Allen is a very good choice for the tradition of melancholic comedy; but I think we could find a better choice for Seinfeld, someone older and more fundamental. Sanguine is "feeling of joy, mirth, optimism, enthusiasm, affection and wellbeing" - in short, the tradition of comedy which is just straightforwardly happy and silly and life-loving. Who's the archetypal comedian who just tells daft jokes?
I think as a functional system for comedy, what it's really missing is a Mercurial influence. We've got dry wit, funny jokes, satirical rage and self-deprecating humour - and we could "type" a lot of more recent comedians by saying, say, Stewart Lee is Choleric-Melancholic, Bill Hicks is Choleric, etc. But none of the four humours really represent surrealism or chaos, and you couldn't type Chris Morris or Monty Python without it. So to use the system, one would have to propose a fifth humour related to spirit and to Mercury - unless the Sanguine influence also included a sort of silliness & absurdity.
~furious overthinking~
Anyway, I also want to propose planetary correspondences for Pythons:
Moon - Graham Chapman (comparatively little writing, but intuition for what was funny)
Mars - John Cleese (the rage!)
Saturn - Terry Gilliam (hidden; strange; later work v dark)
Venus - Eric Idle (wordplay and music)
Jupiter - Terry Jones (the "heart" and "glue", directoral role)
Mercury - Michael Palin (the surrealist)
Sun - Carol Cleveland (because she was in every one of their things and they all acted like dicks. So she gets a planet)
I tried doing the League of Gentlemen as the 4 humours, but the League has too consistent a mood/tone to really be divided into four. However, I think we could likely do the Beatles. Perhaps they could be the root of a music-centric system.
idk whether this sort of work has any practical occult use, but it's fun and satisfying and passes time, and I guess my "excuse" is that occultism relies on you programming these symbols into your subconscious, so the more you use them the better.
Sanguine - Jerry Seinfeld
Melancholic - Woody Allen
Choleric - Lenny Bruce
Phlegmatic - Groucho Marx
These were suggested by my partner - who apologises for the inclusion of Allen, alternate ideas being accepted.
We are looking for "fundamental" comedians, early and foundational figures; and I think maybe we were looking for stand-ups, there must have been a reason we didn't choose Keaton or Chaplin as melancholic.
Politics aside, I think Allen is a very good choice for the tradition of melancholic comedy; but I think we could find a better choice for Seinfeld, someone older and more fundamental. Sanguine is "feeling of joy, mirth, optimism, enthusiasm, affection and wellbeing" - in short, the tradition of comedy which is just straightforwardly happy and silly and life-loving. Who's the archetypal comedian who just tells daft jokes?
I think as a functional system for comedy, what it's really missing is a Mercurial influence. We've got dry wit, funny jokes, satirical rage and self-deprecating humour - and we could "type" a lot of more recent comedians by saying, say, Stewart Lee is Choleric-Melancholic, Bill Hicks is Choleric, etc. But none of the four humours really represent surrealism or chaos, and you couldn't type Chris Morris or Monty Python without it. So to use the system, one would have to propose a fifth humour related to spirit and to Mercury - unless the Sanguine influence also included a sort of silliness & absurdity.
~furious overthinking~
Anyway, I also want to propose planetary correspondences for Pythons:
Moon - Graham Chapman (comparatively little writing, but intuition for what was funny)
Mars - John Cleese (the rage!)
Saturn - Terry Gilliam (hidden; strange; later work v dark)
Venus - Eric Idle (wordplay and music)
Jupiter - Terry Jones (the "heart" and "glue", directoral role)
Mercury - Michael Palin (the surrealist)
Sun - Carol Cleveland (because she was in every one of their things and they all acted like dicks. So she gets a planet)
I tried doing the League of Gentlemen as the 4 humours, but the League has too consistent a mood/tone to really be divided into four. However, I think we could likely do the Beatles. Perhaps they could be the root of a music-centric system.
idk whether this sort of work has any practical occult use, but it's fun and satisfying and passes time, and I guess my "excuse" is that occultism relies on you programming these symbols into your subconscious, so the more you use them the better.
