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For the longest time, I have intended my work to have a Language - for the deep and secret mystic reason that a Magical Language makes your spells better because you feel cool and spooky.

For 'lets move away from the appropriation of Kabbalah in ceremonial magic' reasons, poorly-translated Hebrew is out; and Latin has been done - i know it but it brings a certain kind of brassy light or black mass energy which is only right now and then. Old English (a.k.a. 'Anglo Saxon') I love, big rumbly earthtones, but brings too much political baggage; contemporary Celtic languages - gaelic, welsh, etc - perpetuate a romanticism that contemporary language revivalists likely won't appreciate. My friends advised against Tolkien languages.

That rules out pretty much everything, but I keep finding myself drawn to Proto-Celtic - or possibly Proto-Indo-European. Neither language was ever spoken. They've been reconstructed by linguistic archaeologists. Languages shift over time, and if we understand how, we can look backwards in time.

Landweird.

An example of how this works from wikipedia:

In Gaulish and the Brittonic languages, the Proto-Indo-European *kʷ phoneme becomes a new *p sound. Thus, Gaulish petuar[ios], Welsh pedwar "four", but Old Irish cethair and Latin quattuor

The oldest language spoken in Britain, according to the internet, is a form of Celtic known as Brythonic (a.k.a. Brittonic, nowadays the preferred academic term, but the romantic folklorist who termed it Brythonic knew what he was doing; why even be a linguist if you cannot select words for their beauty and mystery. Brythonic it is.) But tread your way backwards and carefully, back down the tree past where the branches meet, and you will find the words that might have come before. Further back from that - the first, imagined Celtic - is Indo-European, the first-imagined language uniting language-families across the world, back into the darkness of deep forgetting.

I do not especially like Proto-Celtic. Unlike Old English, which makes me excited to speak, Proto-Celtic is a mix of overfamiliar and ugly. I find the tantalising names of gods-of-a-single-stone - Artaios, Belenos, Ricagambeda, Moritsagus - mighty. But my dabbling in dictionaries turns up nothing as powerful - perhaps because it's a language I don't know how to use

The word for 'land' is /φī-wer-jōnos/, but I am learning to love it. ɸ is a voiceless bilabial fricative - not like 'f', pronounced with the tongue-and-the-teeth - but a horse-huff of an 'f' as in 'pfffft!'. You have to say it out loud to get it, and while speaking pay attention to what the parts of your mouth are doing. It's soft like 'ph' - like breathing. Something meditative and strange about the struggle to make sounds new yet ancient

phferi-phfīwerianos - landbeyond - andīmiketo - bewilderment - brīwotelamon - earthfragment - morikommanos - seamemory - tanātanawo - thintime - leinesweida - the softplaces - dīglennelugrākandom - moonlightgatherer - mauknibargoses - bookbog - tuxslobrend - hollowhill - koudot - the hidden sound - mori-brano-rūnom - secretdiver - brixtās-uφo-dātū - spells in the sediment

This is not a history lesson; their service is as sound, and the sense of wonder that is speaking with a dead tongue in your living throat

Date: 5 November 2022 04:22 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] goatgodschild
For me, my work is more related to music than language, usually music from poetry. Parts of work, or particular moods, seem tied to songs, or the songs *are* them. A cappella or choir singing is separate enough from ordinary speech for me, with its humming pronunciation, dropped or added letters, and odd stresses.

Folk singing (of which I am primarily familiar with filk) is similar, although it tends to rely on guitar, an instrument I cannot play, and often keeps the stresses in from ordinary speech.

EX: In "Gently Johnny", the choir pronunciation is Ghaentlay, which to my extremely American ear is smoothing out an ordinary word into a warm caressing sound.

There's something tied to the Landweird specifically in this, I think. Both in use of the 1960's-1970's folk music scene, and the broad repurposing of "standard" poets, particularly British ones, into showing their true power and horror.

Date: 5 November 2022 14:53 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] raynedanser
That's really neat... I love stuff like this. I would probably venture toward Welsh, since I already speak a smattering of it anyway. It's interesting how close to the gaul it is (or at least pedwar!).

Date: 8 November 2022 16:29 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] raynedanser
I have a book of Iolo Morganwg's poetry, I believe, translated of course. :) I've studied a bit of Druidry as well, with OBOD and Isle of Wight Druids. :) I think doing some work in Welsh would be wonderful.

Date: 8 November 2022 18:06 (UTC)
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That's why I discontinued it. It was good, very in depth, really went into the Awen, and Iolo and his poetry, Cerridwen, etc. But It left a bad taste in my mouth that I had to pay for it (and in American $$, the conversion wasn't cheap!). Isle of Wight druids IS free and still in depth, but they have sessions and the next isn't for a while, I think.

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