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I am ready to launch the first stage of the Landcraft correspondence system, which organises all things in terms of the Solar, the Lunar and the Stellar.

The purpose of the Landcraft correspondence system is to be an alternative to the four classical elements, the gender binary, and the Tree of Life, an underlying system of magic for people who do not wish to use the standard correspondence systems for various reasons;  a system of correspondences which, additionally, feels earthy and pagan, organic and authentic to the land and the folklore beneath our feet. It is an open system: you may combine it with any other pagan tradition, not only Fencraft; as well as re-mixing and hacking it for your own purposes.

Now available:I hate the term "celestial", hate it hate it hate it, and very much welcome other suggestions.

These parts of the system have been fixed and certain for around two years now. The next step for Landcrafting is to release the fuller correspondence charts (colours and so forth), pin down how the dual-celestials work (concepts like the Solar-Lunar, the inbetween elements), and how they interact with physical elements (like Fire, Land, Water, and so forth). And then finally - the big bit that's still missing - how you actually *use* them in ritual and magic, which is still eluding me.

I've also written a first masterpost of Rural Psychogeography, works exploring the hidden mysteries of the land. I am now obsessed with Chanctonbury Rings.

Mood? A deep, relaxed, mellow breathing-out of satisfaction, completeness and success.

Date: 2 June 2020 19:32 (UTC)
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Alternatives to Celestials - Domains? Kingdoms? Archetypes?

Date: 2 June 2020 22:50 (UTC)
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['domains' i would also suggest, something in my brain wants to kick towards 'dominions' but i'm not sure about it. kingdoms and archetypes also kick the synonym 'paradigm' at me. but though i've replied to this comment to acknowledge it as jumping off point, more generally i am adding my tuppence while feeling that i've missed something and my suggestions are off the mark. [personal profile] haptalaon feel free to confirm or deny ]

Date: 3 June 2020 07:48 (UTC)
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More I thought of overnight: Spheres, countries....

Date: 3 June 2020 04:52 (UTC)
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I have a question about Landcraft. I love the work you're doing and I find it fascinating, but you also wrote earlier about--forgive me if I misremember or misinterpreted--how you'd like to both share it and encourage other people to make it their own AND keep it consistent with the way it is being created now.

I love a lot of your ideas but I hesitate to read much further, since I don't want to "steal" them for my own practice, and as it is, it seems Landcraft is for English people, or at least people who are in England.

How do you feel about that? I don't mean to go "hey I practice Landcraft" and then do entirely my own thing, just to incorporate, very privately, ideas like correspondences and the separation of the three parts of the system.

(This is part of my continuing waffling on how to practice while living in urban Flanders and being of urban background myself, and in another country from my birth country, when the current trend in Paganism seems to focus on the authenticity of local tradition and local magic. I'm veering towards the idea that gods make homes in people just as they might make homes in places and you carry them with you, but I may be in the minority, and it's not like that makes the problem of appropriation go away. Impostor syndrome, why yes...)
Edited Date: 3 June 2020 04:53 (UTC)

Date: 3 June 2020 08:05 (UTC)
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> it seems Landcraft is for English people, or at least people who are in England.

I am obviously not Hap, but I can empathize with a similar identity crises when it comes to pretty much all neo-pagan things. (I think a lot of people can.) I’m half Korean and half white American Euro-blend, and I’ve immigrated to the UK. So I guess I have that last bit of living in England now, but I have a mixture of other things going on, too. How do I resolve East and West? I always felt really out of sync with the heavily Celtic aspects of Wicca and mainstream paganism when I was in America.

That said, I think the 3 practices and concepts of local spirits and gods are elements of Fencraft/Landcraft which can be applied anywhere and so you could view yourself as using “elements of Landcraft,” in your personal practice, if not the English-centric tradition. In my identity crises mentioned above, I mostly just have nameless local and family spirits I work with. I move often, some travel with me, some stay behind.

(That said, I have no idea how Hap feels about that. I just wanted to let you know that you’re not alone.)

Date: 3 June 2020 10:42 (UTC)
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Heh, the question of local spirits is kind of broad in Belgium. There are medieval manuscripts of priests in my neighbourhood complaining about worship of Hecate at the crossroads, does that make her a local spirit? That's why I like the idea of carrying gods with me rather than finding them here under the layers of floating faith, folktales and sheep-trampled history that this place has.

And thank you! I appreciate that. <3

Date: 6 June 2020 15:22 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilthit
That's the thing, mythology and folklore both are LAYERS of sometimes conflicting versions of the same thing, or different things under the same name. Ideas travel and transform. I may still be trying to justify taking up any kind of practice at all... or to understand how to do so, how to be authentic while allowing for the mutability of ideas.

Date: 6 June 2020 15:23 (UTC)
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I love that!

Date: 6 June 2020 17:09 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ilthit
A lot of this I really respond to. You're finding answers to questions I've had myself, yeah.

Date: 6 June 2020 17:13 (UTC)
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<3

Date: 6 June 2020 15:57 (UTC)
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I love your accounting of the gods of London—I’ve found it really hard to connect in urban areas myself, but the way I sense the Landweird (to use your term) in the countryside is much of what drew me to choose the UK (which I had before visited) when the option to move here came up, and the reason I prefer to stay when new options arise.

I think even in British-based Fencraft one may find the little details of the practices differ based on location—even within London, the local spirits of the Docklands (where I live) are not the same as in Hampstead Heath. I imagine they are also different in Wicken Fen than they are in the Wye Valley or the Isle of Skye, etc.
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Date: 6 June 2020 17:36 (UTC)
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It's interesting that Moore says urban centers are MORE attuned to wild gods because of urban fear of the wild. I have been thinking about civilization/wilderness, farm vs. forest because it keeps coming up: texts on Finnish/related mythologies talk about the appearance of evil ghosts that came about when cemeteries separated the living from the dead, the otherness forests gained once people settled down into households and within walls. I don't know how much of it was fanciful but it got the idea in my head. Then the 19th century veneration of the pastoral that birthed, in part, the Gardnerian mythology... Etc. The tradition of Finns of needing to go back to the lakes in the summer. And I didn't mention Hekate entirely randomly, because she's a goddess of borderlands, a guardian between the home sphere and wilderness. The dichotomy is strong. So what is Moore saying, the UNfamiliarity with the wild makes it more meaningful? Hmm.

Date: 6 June 2020 16:25 (UTC)
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Thank you for developing it and making it available—I’ve found it really exciting to find something that aligns so closely with my disorganized practices in a way that not only can I start to work with more methodology and intention than flailing about, but also have to people and a language to talk about it.

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